tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post92298880640449689..comments2024-03-19T00:26:30.753-07:00Comments on The Jesus Blog: Levine and Meier on the Parables of Jesus: Two Very Important (and Very Different) New Books Anthony Le Donnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-82835627693203681942016-08-13T05:49:56.225-07:002016-08-13T05:49:56.225-07:00Thanks! Thanks! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625054291053589093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-40926923215078987872016-01-24T18:00:25.968-08:002016-01-24T18:00:25.968-08:00I'm not sure I understand. I read that "M...I'm not sure I understand. I read that "Meier is not denying that all or most of the parables go back to Jesus", however, it seems that ultimatey only few of them pass Meier's criteria of authenticity. So, how can most parables "go back to Jesus" and yet be "unauthentic"? Did Jesus ever talk about the Good Samaritan and the Prodigal Son or not? I'm a simple mind and need simple answers :) Also because my life is too short to read all footnotes of Meier's books!! Btw, if parables are not (more or less) "authentic" saying of Jesus, Levine's book would lose a lot of its appeal for non-academic readers... Exacly like the Gospels :) Thank you.Lollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11864715619219885761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-32069248185148345092016-01-22T11:09:54.600-08:002016-01-22T11:09:54.600-08:00If the Evil Tenants story is authentic, then it re...If the Evil Tenants story is authentic, then it reveals a more assertive Jesus than generally. In that 1) Jesus rather strongly implies he is the son of God (vs. "Who do they say I am.") Then he 2)seems rather more threatening. Since he hints God will kill those who kill him. <br /><br />I don't know if or on what grounds this Jesus was affirmed as the authentic HJ. But if he is authentic, then the real Jesus was less meek and passive than the present NT implies. And even more than a little bullying. More like a military Lord.<br /><br />Did our meek and mild clerks, clerics, later rewrite the warrior Jesus into their own seeker image? <br /><br />Or perhaps these parables are not authentic, after all?<br /><br />As for the Prodigal Son, that would see Jesus as capable of error. <br /><br />Perhaps though the very crudity of these parables supports the thesis that they were early, unpolished pronouncements. Before a high and early Christology was imposed over this material.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-9978220936859742872016-01-22T06:01:05.941-08:002016-01-22T06:01:05.941-08:00I'd call it instead, say, the "Lord"...<br /><br />I'd call it instead, say, the "Lord" whose son was killed. <br /><br />I think it represents a viable but later demphasized theology of Jesus. In this case, it asks for our renewed obedience to Jesus, not just out of remorse. But also, in this early theology, out of fear of an angry God punishing us. As indeed, Judgement Day is supposed to.<br /><br />This differs slightly from later atonement theology. Where Jesus dies voluntarily for us. But in a way, it's part of the background assumptions of atonement: we have sinned against a Lord. In this case, by killing his son. And therefore, we deserve punishment. Which is why, atonement adds, we need Jesus himself asking for God to ... let us off the hook. To avoid his punishment for, among other things, killing his son.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-20533179769968147842016-01-21T16:30:15.499-08:002016-01-21T16:30:15.499-08:00Based on Levine's reading of the prodigal son ...Based on Levine's reading of the prodigal son (or as she renames it, "the man who lost a son"), it does not have an autobiographical component.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-9671969529056630212016-01-20T13:49:56.708-08:002016-01-20T13:49:56.708-08:00No, Gene, there isn't.
You're welcome, Ch...No, Gene, there isn't.<br /><br />You're welcome, Chris!Brant Pitrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12537247176808981484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-32200752025251764642016-01-20T12:47:40.553-08:002016-01-20T12:47:40.553-08:00Don't forget the son of a landlord, killed by ...Don't forget the son of a landlord, killed by ungrateful tenants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-55290714745309198842016-01-20T11:48:47.867-08:002016-01-20T11:48:47.867-08:00Brant, thanks so much for this. I hadn't read...Brant, thanks so much for this. I hadn't read either yet and this makes me want to read them both.Chris Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007521996155910288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-35587691887217673782016-01-18T19:36:48.395-08:002016-01-18T19:36:48.395-08:00Is there any consideration of an autobiographical ...Is there any consideration of an autobiographical component in at least some of the parables? Mahlon Smith, for example, thought that Jesus was probably the prodigal son. (Profiles of Jesus, Roy Hoover, ed., "Israel's Prodigal Son: Reflections on Reimaging Jesus," 2002, 87-116.).<br /><br />Gene Stecher<br />Chambersburg, Pa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com