tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post6927405633531813444..comments2024-03-19T00:26:30.753-07:00Comments on The Jesus Blog: The Jesus Quest: A Longer View - Le DonneAnthony Le Donnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-20412568754565322832013-01-15T08:09:44.639-08:002013-01-15T08:09:44.639-08:00agreed
-anthonyagreed<br /><br />-anthonyAnthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-62458469186294917622013-01-15T02:29:26.178-08:002013-01-15T02:29:26.178-08:00The second world war has three phases: the Germans...The second world war has three phases: the Germans win, the Russians win, the Americans win. This is a simplification.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-6015156597021394132013-01-14T16:16:08.940-08:002013-01-14T16:16:08.940-08:00...or I can just wait ten years and see if my publ......or I can just wait ten years and see if my published work on this topic gains any traction.Anthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-27339224870887561592013-01-14T14:54:46.671-08:002013-01-14T14:54:46.671-08:00When it comes to paradigms, I STILL say I’ve seen ...When it comes to paradigms, I STILL say I’ve seen worse.<br /><br />The “moments” I mentioned in Quest history are the ones I think marked points of transition. For example, it’s commonly written that Schweitzer’s work brought the First Quest to the end and ushered in the period of No Quest. I did not mean to suggest that Schweitzer began the First Quest (of course he did not), or even that his work belongs to the First Quest (although it might).<br /><br />Your “longer view” here is your most persuasive piece to date on the Quest paradigm. At the moment, I’m either persuaded by your effort to push back the beginning of the Quest, or I’m confused by it. The more you push, the more I wonder what we mean by the Historical Jesus. If the Quest is the effort to understand Jesus using modern historical methods, then by definition the Quest cannot begin until those methods came into use. But if the Historical Jesus is the Jesus that Christians discuss in certain contexts with those outside of the Christian faith, then obviously we’re talking about something that goes back a long way. <br /><br />I’ll push back on the idea that the Historical Jesus was the “Jewish Jesus” from Augustine onward, so that the “Jewish Jesus” of the Third Quest is nothing new. IMHO: the Third Quest takes a new approach to the discovery of Jesus’ Jewish context. Increasingly, this context is being studied for something close to its own sake. Trying to consider this in terms of memory, the Third Quest accounts (or at least, feels responsible for accounting) for a Jewish memory tradition of 1st century Judaism. More than this, the Third Quest strives to place Jesus within this memory tradition in a “mainstream” and not a “marginal” way. I don’t see this in Augustine, or Bultmann. (And you might say that you don’t see this in Meier, or even Crossan!)<br /><br />But all you have to do, Anthony, is to put forth a better paradigm, and everyone will live happily ever after.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976868079076669453noreply@blogger.com