tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post2502875398487227474..comments2024-03-19T00:26:30.753-07:00Comments on The Jesus Blog: The Earliest Jesus Creed and the Jewish Jesus - Le DonneAnthony Le Donnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-80236334931270916252015-08-18T23:14:24.908-07:002015-08-18T23:14:24.908-07:00Ethnically I am Jewish. Where as spiritually I am ...Ethnically I am Jewish. Where as spiritually I am Orthodox Christian. Orthodox Christianity does not allow for any diversity other than ethnic. So many Orthodox Christians who were born and raised Jewish have immigrated to Israel. They can't/won't give up one for the other. They like myself want to incorporate both together. After all the traditions by which the Orthodox stand by were based on Judaism. To deny that is for a black person to deny his skin tone. Christians need to accept and incorporate the Jewishness of Jesus in mass if they really want to know who Jesus was and what he taught. 'Salvation is from the Jews' is a quote from the gospel of John. Salvation, redemption is constantly written in the psalms. I myself silently sing a psalm and biblically study it then read scripture of the day. So much of what Jesus said is in those psalms, Isaiah, the first five books of the OT. All of His message and mystery does not have to be intangible. One simply has to go beyond what is written. Research biblical definitions of things like sacrificial offerings be they animal, crops or herbs in order to unravel the unknown and find common ground between the two distant cousins. The Arch will no longer be split and we will see how similar we are. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07396481940217451583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-88145728746014661002012-10-12T12:21:15.555-07:002012-10-12T12:21:15.555-07:00Anthony, just wondering, but what do you mean by &...Anthony, just wondering, but what do you mean by 'Jewish Jesus'?<br /><br />For example, King Herod was 'Jewish' but he wasn't an Israelite. He was an Edomite.<br /><br />Do you mean 'Jewish' in the same sense King Herod was Jewish, or some other sense?ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13337144930591740142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-9588590479382299042012-10-12T09:14:37.763-07:002012-10-12T09:14:37.763-07:00This is something I've thought a great deal ab...This is something I've thought a great deal about, Peter. A topic that deserves its own post, methinks.Anthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-48470279564840481192012-10-12T06:23:06.644-07:002012-10-12T06:23:06.644-07:00What do you think would help to facilitate better ...What do you think would help to facilitate better conversations between the two camps?Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-20205944886758987852012-10-11T18:15:15.107-07:002012-10-11T18:15:15.107-07:00Daniel, thanks for your comment.
You are quite ri...Daniel, thanks for your comment.<br /><br />You are quite right that HJR has tended to reflect the interests and personalities of those researching. One could say the same of the multiple and varied Jesuses of the Church. I'm not saying that HJR research is always better, nor am I saying that the ecclesial Jesus is always worse.<br /><br />I'd just like to have better conversations between the two camps rather than none at all.Anthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-80923408471534677352012-10-11T16:00:44.902-07:002012-10-11T16:00:44.902-07:00I'm not sure your argument holds up against Mc...I'm not sure your argument holds up against McKnight.<br /><br />To argue for a Jesus of the Gospels is <em>not</em> to argue for a suprahistorical Jesus, but for a Jesus the stories of whom are deeply rooted in assumptions and realities of first century Judaism. Especially if we stick to canon and not just creed, the Jewishness remains front and center. <br /><br />I find the overall argument here somewhat ironic, as it has long been recognized that "historical Jesus" research ends up being, in essence, a mirror that reflects the scholar as much as a tool to discover a reality of the past. Jesus' Jewishness has not been any better preserved by HJ research than by Gospels research. J. R. Daniel Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14000174430575970585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-17598083364737830902012-10-11T07:17:03.519-07:002012-10-11T07:17:03.519-07:00The same point can be made for politically oriente...The same point can be made for politically oriented revisionists of American history (whether conservative or liberal):<br /><br />Anytime people's veneration of past figures fuels their [theo/]ideological orientation toward a present day [religio-]political agenda, their historical vision likely stands in great need of correction.<br /><br />I'm not sure if Scot McKnight is leaving the church with a purely supra-historical Jesus or not, but I sincerely hope we continue improving our efforts, in various ways, to guard against such a danger.Bill Heromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.com