tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post1121846397666279755..comments2024-03-19T00:26:30.753-07:00Comments on The Jesus Blog: The Antisemitism of Ignorance - Le DonneAnthony Le Donnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-12705305811384362052013-11-10T00:01:24.205-08:002013-11-10T00:01:24.205-08:00No harm done at all! I'll have to take another...No harm done at all! I'll have to take another look at the Eusebius quotation. Until then, I wouldn't want to forward any misinformation. It's not the first time I've been helped by collective memory on this blog and hopefully not the last.<br /><br />gratefully,<br />anthony<br /><br />Anthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-41966340830147584372013-11-09T23:22:10.976-08:002013-11-09T23:22:10.976-08:00I hope you know I do appreciate this blog, and I w...I hope you know I do appreciate this blog, and I wasn't trying to undermine your work as I sought to verify the sources. You two do a great job with this blog and I greatly appreciate it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-37082564466493619622013-11-09T09:25:29.892-08:002013-11-09T09:25:29.892-08:00Thus I have ironically illustrated my own point. T...Thus I have ironically illustrated my own point. Too bad I no longer have that book double check. I have removed Eusebius from post.<br /><br />thank you<br /><br />-anthonyAnthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-73816453415628506692013-11-08T20:56:12.361-08:002013-11-08T20:56:12.361-08:00The Constantine quote is from Socrates Scholasticu...The Constantine quote is from Socrates Scholasticus in his Church History (ca. 439), book 1, chapter 9 (3rd letter, after the first council of Nicea).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-27371435861135114672013-11-08T20:29:34.796-08:002013-11-08T20:29:34.796-08:00The Eusebius citation is still inaccurate. It does...The Eusebius citation is still inaccurate. It doesn't seem to be from Eusebius of Caesarea (263-339). It's found in Migne PG 61:733-36 (in both Greek and Latin). From the best I can tell (and I'm not for sure about all of this), it's from a sermon collected among spurious items that were sometimes attributed to Chrysostom, but is also sometimes attributed to Eusebius of Alexandria (not the same as Eusebius of Caesarea, hence the confusion), of whom I know little to nothing. Eusebius of Alexandria doesn't seem to be the bishop there, so I'm not sure who he was or what this sermon was or when or where it came from. It is an example of unfortunate anti-Jewish slander, but it's not from Eusebius of Caesarea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-88261069070992353012013-11-08T16:06:15.119-08:002013-11-08T16:06:15.119-08:00Thank you, Anonymous. I've tidied up a bit.Thank you, Anonymous. I've tidied up a bit.<br />Anthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-33627923320678258842013-11-08T15:59:38.652-08:002013-11-08T15:59:38.652-08:00These quotes are helpful but need to be tidied up ...These quotes are helpful but need to be tidied up (although I don't doubt any of these statements). The Tertullian quote has a large dittography. What is the reference in Eusebius? Same with Constantine. Also, "John of Chrysostom" was not his name. When I see sloppy cut and paste like this, it ends up looking unreliable. Again, I don't doubt the statements, but they need to be tidied up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-46037153839313606192013-11-08T13:07:10.682-08:002013-11-08T13:07:10.682-08:00Brian, the move toward sensitivity is important. T...Brian, the move toward sensitivity is important. The two sides of this coin are that:<br /><br />(a) Sometimes in moves toward sensitivity we fail to convey the necessary categories. For example why not just translate GJohn's "the Jews" into "the religious leaders"? But in doing so, we might fail to convey a key theme in GJohn.<br /><br />flip side:<br /><br />(b) We will no doubt contribute unwittingly to damaging stereotypes unless some effort is given to problematize the language.<br /><br />I would highly recommend Leonard Greenspoon's fascinating chapter in my "Soundings in the Religion of Jesus" book.<br /><br />-anthonyAnthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-53379071106328163672013-11-08T12:20:27.787-08:002013-11-08T12:20:27.787-08:00Have you seen this post by Rachel Held Evans? http...Have you seen this post by Rachel Held Evans? http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/ask-a-liberal-rabbi<br />you could probably ask a question for Rabbi Rachel - I cited this post in my question.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-76885341945864586652013-11-08T11:40:53.301-08:002013-11-08T11:40:53.301-08:00This might be a minor nuance, but I've seen so...This might be a minor nuance, but I've seen some use "Judean(s)" rather than "Jew(s)" in order to differentiate modern Jews from their first century ancestors. Of course, more that this is needed lest in trying to be careful we inadvertently deny a people their own history. It needs to be made explicit that it was primarily the elite colluding with their Roman overseers who are responsible, but maybe language such as "Judean rulers" or "Jerusalem elite" can be historically responsible w.out making the mistake of opening the door to an antisemitism we Christians (and even many non-Christians) have promoted over the centuries.Brian LePorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05472129663402843316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-49803745963931396502013-11-08T11:20:48.094-08:002013-11-08T11:20:48.094-08:00Anthony, this post is about as good as you get. Th...Anthony, this post is about as good as you get. That’s pretty damn good. <br /><br />I want to say something to your anonymous friend, and leave the statement stand alone for a while, before I provide further comment. Friend of Anthony, I apologize if there is anything I’ve done here that backed you into a corner. I do not think I’ve encountered an iota of anti-Semitism on this site, nor for that matter anywhere I’ve traveled in the world of committed Christians. I’ve experienced nothing but warmth, respect, even love, in my efforts to study the historical Jesus and to engage in Jewish-Christian dialog. If I’ve ever given a contrary impression, then I’m truly sorry.<br /><br />The idea that something I said might have made you “look like Hitler” is so mind-chillingly sad, I don’t know what to say in response, except that from the glimpse you’ve given me, you don’t look remotely like that to me. You look to me like a friend. You look to me like the image of God.<br /><br />What we need to find is a way to talk to each other that does not paint anyone into any corner. I ask for everyone’s help in finding this way.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976868079076669453noreply@blogger.com