tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post6235726386595930879..comments2024-03-15T10:01:59.405-07:00Comments on The Jesus Blog: A Reply to Dale Martin's JSNT Essay (Part 2)Anthony Le Donnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-56220975566533872632014-10-17T06:02:08.164-07:002014-10-17T06:02:08.164-07:00Thanks for sharing your post. Just a tip, always e...Thanks for sharing your post. Just a tip, always end your <a href="http://www.essaydot.com/" rel="nofollow">essay</a> writing with an interesting conclusion. But make sure that the conclusion will sum up your whole essay.Barbara Houkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16916896770348453978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-90407424520605179572014-09-26T08:26:47.699-07:002014-09-26T08:26:47.699-07:00Good afternoon
I agree with the blogger J.P.
Berme...Good afternoon<br />I agree with the blogger J.P.<br />Bermejo-Rubio has several articles related to this issue and it would be very interesting to enlarge the debate. I also remeber that it is almost impossible for a common reader to acess Dale Martin's text: 30 dollars is a totally absurd price! <br />https://www.academia.edu/8139537/_Why_Was_Jesus_the_Galilean_Crucified_Alone_Solving_a_False_Conundrum_Journal_for_the_Study_of_the_New_Testament_36.2_2013_127-154<br /><br />https://www.academia.edu/8156663/_Has_the_Hypothesis_of_a_Seditionist_Jesus_Been_Dealt_a_Fatal_Blow_A_Systematic_Answer_to_the_Doubters_Bandue_7_2013_19-57.<br /><br />Best regards, JoãoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-87665846405320436092014-09-25T21:25:07.299-07:002014-09-25T21:25:07.299-07:00Recently, Fernando Bermejo tried to show that the ...Recently, Fernando Bermejo tried to show that the lestai (= rebels) crucified alongside Jesus were members of his band, but I don't find it persuasive. Iowever, think that for the sake of the argument this possibility should be discussed in the post (and refuted if appropiate).J.P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-78141462635931440362014-09-24T20:39:22.635-07:002014-09-24T20:39:22.635-07:00In my mind, yes!In my mind, yes!S. Brian Poundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932943452951699521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-22599896116907656992014-09-24T20:38:52.161-07:002014-09-24T20:38:52.161-07:00Thanks Mike K, I have read Meggitt's article. ...Thanks Mike K, I have read Meggitt's article. I think the two cases that Meggitt uses to build his argument do not actually work in his favor. In the case of Carabas (who according to Philo suffered from 'mania'), he is an unintentional actor used by others to mock Agrippa I, and he is obviously not crucified (In Flaccum 37–39). In the case of Jesus Son of Ananias (who according to Josephus also suffered from 'mania'), the governor Albinus lets him go after a flogging precisely because he deems him insane (J.W. 6.305). The other stuff you mention about a royal acclamation of Jesus would have been potentially 'disproved' and thus dealt with conclusively- from a Roman point of view- by the crucifixion itself (cf. Paula Fredriksen, Jesus of Nazareth). S. Brian Poundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932943452951699521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-48924514556865434322014-09-24T15:54:54.778-07:002014-09-24T15:54:54.778-07:00These last two posts sound like a pretty convincin...These last two posts sound like a pretty convincing critique of the article to me. Anthony or Brian, have either of you read Justin Meggitt's "The Madness of King Jesus: Why was Jesus Put to Death, but his Followers were Not" JSNT 29 (2007): 379-413. The evidence that Jesus was not leading a violent revolution in that only he was crucified rather than his followers is a strong point, but it still seems odd that the Romans were so threatened by an apocalyptic preacher announcing a coming kingdom where he would be king while his followers could lead a messianic movement in Jerusalem for decades, so perhaps Meggitt's thesis that the Romans perceived Jesus as an isolated deluded person could help to explain why he alone was mocked, tortured and executed?Mike K.http://www.ntmark.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-22474809286322732032014-09-24T13:01:36.929-07:002014-09-24T13:01:36.929-07:00Thanks for these questions Anthony. I answer assum...Thanks for these questions Anthony. I answer assuming a popular reading audience. Before the time of Jesus, the Samaritans had the own temple on Mt. Gerizim (cf. Ant. 18.34). It was destroyed by the Hasmonean John Hyrcanus in 128 BCE (Ant. 13.255-56). Josephus narrates episodes illustrating hostility between Jews and Samaritans- including one where Samaritans scatter human bones in the temple in order to defile it (Ant. 18.30). So the Samaritans as a group rejected the Jerusalem temple. If Jesus had Samaritan followers then Martin's argument would be of the “birds of a feather flock together” variety. (Interestingly, Gerd Theissen identifies Jesus' movement as counter-temple and in that respect locates it alongside the activities of John the Baptist and the Samaritan prophet killed by Pilate near Mt Gerizim.)<br /><br />In the gospels, representations of Jesus' statements about and interactions with Samaritans are a mixed bag: In Matthew, Jesus prohibits his disciples from entering any town of the Samaritans (10:5); Luke pictures Jesus being rejected by a Samaritan village (9:52–53). Nevertheless, Luke and John generally picture Jesus as having positive interactions with Samaritans (John 4:1–33; Luke 17:16–19; cf. 10:30–37); the closest thing to an indication of Samaritan followers of Jesus is the statement in the Fourth Gospel that certain Samaritans “believed” (4:41). There is however no narration in any gospel of Samaritans traveling with or following Jesus. Therefore, in my opinion there were probably no close disciples of Jesus who were Samaritans but there may have been some Samaritans who were 'sympathisers'. S. Brian Poundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932943452951699521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-31986385266130980092014-09-24T12:17:55.431-07:002014-09-24T12:17:55.431-07:00Isn't Mk 14.12-14 enough to indicate that they...Isn't Mk 14.12-14 enough to indicate that they did eat Passover?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-11586191397517217532014-09-24T11:00:46.807-07:002014-09-24T11:00:46.807-07:00Brian,
One of Martin's bits of supporting ev...Brian, <br /><br />One of Martin's bits of supporting evidence is that Jesus' following included Samaritans. Do you think this holds water? And (assuming that Martin is right) doesn't this typecast Samaritans? ...what am I missing here?<br /><br />-anthonyAnthony Le Donnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.com