tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post4092382694475760644..comments2024-03-19T00:26:30.753-07:00Comments on The Jesus Blog: Hidden from the world in German higher educationAnthony Le Donnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01282792648606976883noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-18294675807116625922015-10-13T22:37:16.674-07:002015-10-13T22:37:16.674-07:00Wellkommen Chris. Personally, I think I'm le...Wellkommen Chris. Personally, I think I'm left of even Bultmann! But Paul occupies a nice central position, accessible to all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-17049380505162744342015-10-07T04:20:19.018-07:002015-10-07T04:20:19.018-07:00Yes, the final result of my book gets very close t...Yes, the final result of my book gets very close to this shift. The special character of Paul's reception of Jesus and Jesus tradition is, however, Paul's overriding concern in the risen, exalted Lord who is now present in the congregation through his apostle. From Paul's point of view, this even overrules actual Jesus sayings (cf. 1Cor 9:14). In order to elaborate these and other relevant aspects I have tried to combine a diachronic view on traces of Jesus tradition with a synchronic view on Paul's processing and receiving Jesustradition.Christine Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173501626371477048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-28951048146839843252015-10-06T05:58:41.967-07:002015-10-06T05:58:41.967-07:00Many thanks, Chris! I agree. Although Bultmann has...Many thanks, Chris! I agree. Although Bultmann has not definitely answered the question how the synoptic tradition emerged and developed, the very idea of a "history of the synoptic tradition" is brilliant....Christine Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173501626371477048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-10516782561588378842015-10-06T05:47:52.445-07:002015-10-06T05:47:52.445-07:00Hi Frederik,
of course 1 Cor 15:3-5 demand a furt...Hi Frederik, <br />of course 1 Cor 15:3-5 demand a further explanation. What is striking here is the fact this text passage is introduced by Paul with nearly the same phrase as in 1 Cor 11:23: for what I received I passed on to you. Only, in the case of 1 Cor 15:3-5 Paul does not refer to the Lord as the origin of the tradition. Paul presents this tradition as something that he has received from other apostles. Here he doesn't mind depending on other early Christian teachers (unlike 1 Cor 11,23!). The reason for this might be the argumentative strategy of the quoted tradition about Jesus' death and resurrection. Paul wants to demonstrate that his gospel is consistent with a broad majority of apostles and eyewitnesses of the resurrected Jesus. Within this tradition, Paul reveals the key elements of his knowledge about the earthly Jesus, namely that Jesus died and was buried. Thus regarding the earthly Jesus, it is his death that matters most for Paul. To my mind this sounds again like Bultmann, but he is right in this case.Christine Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173501626371477048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-44105176145851030682015-10-02T08:19:36.942-07:002015-10-02T08:19:36.942-07:00In his book on James, Richard Bauckham suggests th...In his book on James, Richard Bauckham suggests that we need to “shift our interest from identifying allusions to the sayings of Jesus (which has been the focus of most study in this area) to identifying creative reexpression of the wisdom of Jesus by his disciple the sage James.” I wonder if this might be the case for Paul also. Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115136872568797546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-23352512958628399982015-10-02T06:53:06.287-07:002015-10-02T06:53:06.287-07:00Christine, thanks so much for this. In my last tw...Christine, thanks so much for this. In my last two projects, I came to the conclusion as well that Gospels scholarship especially is essentially *still* immensely indebted to Bultmann. Although I, like many other kittens taking a swipe at a tiger, have argued against aspects of his work, I'm absolutely in awe of his brilliance and continued influence.Chris Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007521996155910288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-19530326322890746852015-10-02T01:47:05.307-07:002015-10-02T01:47:05.307-07:00Hi Christine,
Anything worth exploring in 1 Cor 15...Hi Christine,<br />Anything worth exploring in 1 Cor 15:3-5?Frederik Mulderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196783247144695855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-13847245420910429892015-10-02T01:07:20.386-07:002015-10-02T01:07:20.386-07:00Thank you, Brant! This is a really interesting que...Thank you, Brant! This is a really interesting question. Indeed, I think the quotation of Jesus' words in 1Cor 11 is an exception within Paul's attitude to refer to the Lord and to allude to Jesus tradition. But to my mind, this exception results from the fact that Paul quotes an early Christian tradition to which V.23b belongs, too. Jesus' words are included in this Christian tradition. This tradition was the way in which early Christians traced back their ritual to the earthly Jesus and to a particular event in his life. However, the historical background lies to my mind in a more general feature of Jesus' activity. The tradition of the last supper is somehow paradigmatic, and it is a very old tradition, as is seen in the striking parallels with Luke's account. In this sense the words of institution are very relevant to Jesus research as well as to the history of early Christianity.<br />Regarding Paul, it is striking that even though Paul depends on other Christians from whom he received the tradition, in his introduction he directly refers to authority of the Lord (cf. V.23a "I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you"). I think with this he wants to stress the close relationship between himself and the Lord, neglecting other authorities in the chain of tradition. I hope I do not overinterprete the introduction. But taking into account that the words of institution could be regarded as eyewitness testimony, to my opinion Paul tries to downplay this.Christine Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173501626371477048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-71110019889245809492015-10-02T01:05:22.009-07:002015-10-02T01:05:22.009-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christine Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173501626371477048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-527248979007140522015-10-02T00:18:35.516-07:002015-10-02T00:18:35.516-07:00Haha, thank you, Jack! Actually, I shouldn't b...Haha, thank you, Jack! Actually, I shouldn't blog about my PhD subject. I can get completely lost in details...Christine Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173501626371477048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-87863092496786157202015-10-01T11:24:34.275-07:002015-10-01T11:24:34.275-07:00Christine, thanks for this post and for giving us ...Christine, thanks for this post and for giving us a window into your research!<br /><br />I noticed that you didn't say anything about Paul's explicit quotation of Jesus' words over the bread and wine in the so-called "words of institution" (1 Cor 11:24-25). Do you think these are relevant to Jesus research? If so, how do you factor them in to your understanding of Paul's use of the Jesus tradition? Any thoughts on their striking parallels with Luke's account of the Last Supper (Luke 22:19-22)? Thanks!Brant Pitrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8637125351921336084.post-30320286596810563472015-10-01T09:36:23.268-07:002015-10-01T09:36:23.268-07:00Well...I enjoyed reading this. Thank you, Christin...Well...I enjoyed reading this. Thank you, Christine! I think I'll go back to my little blog and post something about my favorite Van Halen guitar solo (which, by the way, is in "Push Comes to Shove").<br /><br />Seriously though, this was really enjoyable reading. You raise great questions about Paul's knowledge, or not, of Jesus' words remembered eventually, and peculiarly in each of the Gospels.<br /><br />You are yet another reason why this is a great blog to visit.<br /><br />Now, on another note - I'm still waiting on the first post from El Duderino!<br /><br />-jackJack Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726516201872440792noreply@blogger.com